When one individual, like G.W. Bush lies and spins constantly it is difficult to keep track of it all and there is a chorus of delusional spinmeisters like The American Spectator who is all too ready to help with the spin,
Our Treasury source wouldn’t comment on the case. One DOJ source indicated that this case initially took off from monitoring of chat rooms that had been identified as havens for some of the plotters (that monitoring was undertaken in part by the NSA, and some of the monitoring required FISA court filings, something the New York Times doesn’t support, either).
This is called a complete fabrication by those of us who have not dived head long into the kool-aid. First the original NYT story on the NSA did not take an editorial stand on the Bush’s bypassing the FISA Court, only that Bush had decided to break surveillance laws passed by Congress and adhered to by every president since the FISA law was enacted. ” some of the monitoring required FISA court filings, something the New York Times doesn’t support”, well I haven’t read the NYT’s official editorial stance on whether the NSA should obey FISA law, but it was and is the opinion of most Democrats, a few old school conservatives, and most libertarians that Bush and the NSA adhere to FISA and if he would do so we would have no objection to the NSA and Bush, under FISA guidelines monitoring suspicious activity. Why doesn’t The American Spectator understand the issue, why are they assigning editorial views to factual news stories. In other words why is the right-wing fringe lying yet again and why don’t right-wing bloggers respect the rule of law.
TAS may want to start reading The Left Coaster, Who Inside The Administration Leaked The New York Subway Story?
Why is it bad for the Times to report on financial monitoring of overseas banking transactions that Bush has already bragged about, but now it’s OK for a federal official to reveal the information came from monitoring internet chat rooms?
It doesn’t take a warrant for anyone to monitor chat rooms per se, anyone with a computer and an internet connection can do so. If the NSA would need a court ordered warrant to monitor a chat room the warrant can probably be obtained faster then Bush can tells lies about going to war as a last resort.
Sources say no serious plot for NYC, just hate chatter
“The so-called New York tunnel plot was a result of discussions held on an open Jihadi web site,” said Philip Giraldi, a former CIA officer and contributor to American Conservative magazine, in a late Friday afternoon conversation. Although Giraldi acknowledges that the persons involved – “three of whom have already been arrested in Lebanon and elsewhere – are indeed extremists,” their online chatter is considerably overblown by allegations of an actual plot.
“They are not professionally trained terrorists, however, and had no resources with which to carry out the operation they discussed,” Giraldi added. “Despite press reports that they had asked Abu Musab Zarqawi for assistance, there is no information to confirm that. It is known that the members discussed the possibility of approaching Zarqawi but none of them knew him or had any access to him.”
So in the real world the NYT and the martians could only dragged into this story by the same people that think there is a connection shoe size and IQ. Little Green Footballs ( a right-wing blog named after hardened snot) links approvingly to the Spectator article and doesn’t stop for even a second to ask itself what connection the NYT has to this story other then a quote from anonymous source that reads,” I’ll just note that we weren’t able to do that with this case and leave it at that. We could have, but we weren’t able to. You’ll have to do the math for the Times.” If Little Green Snotballs is looking for someone to blame to springing the story too soon, if it was sprung too soon, they might want to give their cult leader at the Whitehouse a call. As many other bloggers in the Reality Based Community are pointing out, the wingnuttery is having one of their straw-man arguments, this story proves the need for surveillance and the left is against surveillance. They can’t seem to get anything right. No mainstream Democrat or center-left blog has argued aginst this or any president’s duty to use surveillance as a terror fighting tool. The issue has been and still is that the president use his surveillance authority within the law and with congressional oversight. because that is how this democracy is supposed to work. Unclaimed Territory and Liberal Catnip have more on the right-wing conservatives and their bizarre attempts to castigate NYT while giving the New York Daily News a pass.. Which brings us to a childish little trick of propaganda that the fringe right uses; when you have no evidence to support your claim plant a seed of suspicious by engaging in irresponsible speculation, Wing-nut Hugh Hewitt,
I wonder if Swift helped us follow the terrorist and his money, and whether he knew about Swift
Gee, I wonder if Hugh beats his boyfriend with an ax handle or a bat.
Another Bush Cultist named Captain’s Quarters says absolutely, unequivocally that the capture of Abu Musab al- Zarqawi has made America safer ( no links to buffoons). The Kaptain simply gets on the old “internets” and makes assertions and offers no supporting evidence, the modus operandi of the right. Sorry to burst your bubble Kaptain, but Abu Musab al- Zarqawi death has made little difference to the level of violence in Iraq, much less making America safer, Iraqi casualties, violence remain high despite al-Zarqawi’s death
I just came across this story, California Man Revealed as al Qaeda Leader
Adam Gadahn, who disappeared from California seven years ago, appeared unmasked on an al Qaeda tape made public on the internet today.
The guy is despicable and probably has some mental problems to boot, but while we’re on the subject of mental problems, here is what one conservative commenter had to say,
He sounds JUST like Cindy Sheehan, John Kerry and John Murtha.
He’s quite sane by Democrat standards…
Posted by: Randy | Jul 7, 2006 2:26:18 PM
Conservative Randy thinks that a member of a murderous terror organization sounds the same as a mother who lost a son in Iraq, a former decorated Marine that is a multiple term U.S. Congressman, and another decoratedvet who has had a distinguished career in the Senate. Randy’s mom probably had to swipe the spittle off the computer screen after he was finished. The same for Joe too,
I bet his parents are liberal Democrats.
Posted by: joe | Jul 7, 2006 2:29:50 PM
And “Tom Bomb” hasn’t got that conservative memo with the final rationale for invading Iraq, that we’re there to save the Iraqi people,
There is truely only one response to tihs.
Flatten Iran IRAQ and Afganistan.
A few dozen MIRV warheads should do!|
Posted by: Tom Bomb | Jul 7, 2006 2:41:24 PM
and then there’s Bob,
Would probably vote Democrat if he wasn’t hiding out in the middle east.
Posted by: Bob Illinois | Jul 7, 2006 2:43:15 PM
Not only is he from Orange County, he is a registered Democrat. His work in Iraq is tied to the Democrat’s liberal agenda of creating lower moral and ethical standards. He ought to be terminated.
Posted by: George | Jul 7, 2006 3:00:24 PM
As long as we’re all doing long distance mental exams it looks like Adamm Gadahn is’nt the only one in need of some help.
It looks like these right-wing bed wetters already pinned down how to be reactionaries so if they should happen by here they can just skip this essay, The Treason Card
The nature of the right-wing attack on The New York Times — an attack not on the newspaper’s judgment, but on its motives — seems to have startled many people in the news media. After an editorial in The Wall Street Journal declared that The Times has what amount to treasonous intentions — that it “has as a major goal not winning the war on terror but obstructing it” — The Journal’s own political editor pronounced himself “shocked,” saying that “I don’t know anybody on the news staff of The Wall Street Journal that believes that.”
But anyone who was genuinely shocked by The Journal’s willingness to play the treason card must not have been paying attention these past five years.
Over the last few months a series of revelations have confirmed what should have been obvious a long time ago: the Bush administration and the movement it leads have been engaged in an authoritarian project, an effort to remove all the checks and balances that have heretofore constrained the executive branch.
Much of this project involves the assertion of unprecedented executive authority — the right to imprison people indefinitely without charges (and torture them if the administration feels like it), the right to wiretap American citizens without court authorization, the right to declare, when signing laws passed by Congress, that the laws don’t really mean what they say.
But an almost equally important aspect of the project has been the attempt to create a political environment in which nobody dares to criticize the administration or reveal inconvenient facts about its actions.
I HEAR men say to plow the snow.
They cannot mean to plant it, though—
Unless in bitterness to mock
At having cultivated rock.
Plowmen by Robert Frost