your problem is you’re always doing stuff before I’m finished figuring it out

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The American Roadside
Is a site about road trips, diners, food and I found one entry about drive-in theatres. Diners always seem to be in the middle of a mini-resurgence, but my annual hopes for the drive-in theatre are much like my wish that we return to being a democracy. Maybe its that drive-ins are associated with cars. What if modern drive-ins were walk-in and instead of places where you would have cars parked next to speaker pools you’d have a kind of half clam shell with a cushioned bench inside with surround sound.

When Torture Isn’t Good Enough kidnap and threaten their families.
Last year when many of us – the media, Congress, and blogtopia were having debates over torture I pointed a right-wing Bush supporter to this article, The Torture Myth

Aside from its immorality and its illegality, says Herrington, torture is simply “not a good way to get information.” In his experience, nine out of 10 people can be persuaded to talk with no “stress methods” at all, let alone cruel and unusual ones. Asked whether that would be true of religiously motivated fanatics, he says that the “batting average” might be lower: “perhaps six out of ten.” And if you beat up the remaining four? “They’ll just tell you anything to get you to stop.”

Worse, you’ll have the other side effects of torture. It “endangers our soldiers on the battlefield by encouraging reciprocity.” It does “damage to our country’s image” and undermines our credibility in Iraq. That, in the long run, outweighs any theoretical benefit.

The Bush supporter didn’t hesitate to simply brush aside this argument and assert that our willingness to use torture, whether it was effective or not, or whether it was moral did not matter, torture showed the enemy that we were tough. The guy’s mind was spinning with some theoretical benefit that we have never seen. On the contrary Bush and Rumfeld’s policies will haunt any efforts we make in the middle-east when we as a nation talk about issues of morality. I guess you could make the claim that Bush has lowered our moral authority, but we’re still not as low as Al-Queda. That we find ourselves even having to weigh one side’s degrees of inhumanity against anther’s doesn’t speak well in how conservatives have calibrated the moral yardstick. The other side, and I doubt the pro-torture Bush supporter has noticed, doesn’t seem the least bit intimidated by our willingness to put aside the Geneva rules. On the contrary they seem more determined to get even for wrongs both real and imagined. Not to mention that it seems that Bush and company has given the other side the advantage in winning the hearts and minds war. Helping the other side? Isn’t that called treason.

Female Soldiers Treated ‘Lower Than Dirt’

Since the fall of 2003, the Miles Foundation has documented 518 cases of sexual assault on women who have served or are serving in Middle Eastern countries, including Iraq, Afghanistan, Bahrain and Qatar. The foundation has counselors on staff around the clock and often receives midnight phone calls from service members or their family members. After counselors and attorneys help the women access medical care and explain the reporting process, they try to transport them to a safe place for care and treatment.

I can’t say something pithy about sinking into the gutter. We as a nation are there. Whether we can pull ourselves up depends on whether we can overcome the dark side, the side that use the word values a lot, but does not seem to have much understanding of what values are.

update: As I read over the comments at the various patriotic sites invariably there is a certain frustration about what to do about Spectre’s gift of the U.S. Senate’s oversight powers to Bush. This may not be much, but then it may lower the blood pressure a notch or two knowing that you did something, e-mail petition  Stop Specter’s Surveillance Bill!

As a constituent who cares deeply about respect for the rule of law, a fair judicial system, and the Fourth Amendment, I write to urge your opposition to Senator Specter’s draft bill transferring challenges to the “Terrorist Surveillance Program” and future “electronic surveillance program[s]” to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court and Court of Review (FISC and FISCR).  I also urge you to oppose any other bill that would take such challenges out of the traditional court system.

If anyone involved in the NSA’s spying has broken the law, he or she should be held accountable.  This determination can only be made fairly in open federal and state courts.  FISC and FISCR’s secret, one-sided proceedings violate our nation’s tradition of open judicial proceedings and due process of law.
JESSE
Such as?

FRANK
You could have worn one of those
big, floppy woman’s Easter Sunday
hats.

JESSE
That would have made an impression.

FRANK
I figure.

JESSE
See, that’s your problem, Frank. By
the time you finish figuring out
stuff, I’m already finished doing it.

FRANK
No, Jesse, your problem is you’re
always doing stuff before I’m
finished figuring it out.
from the screenplay American Outlaws by Roderick Taylor and John Rogers