“Facts are stupid things”

Fox News’ Hume: AP “has been vindicated” on Iraq atrocity story

HUME: And the Associated Press says the Iraqi Interior Ministry has acknowledged now that an Iraqi police officer whose existence had been widely — had been denied even by both the Iraqis and the U.S. is in fact an active member of the force, who now faces arrest for speaking to the media. Captain Jamil Hussein was one of the sources for an AP story last November about the burning and shooting of six people during a Shiite militia attack at a Sunni mosque. The AP was widely accused at the time of making up Hussein’s identity in order to disseminate false news about the war. No explanation was offered about why it took so long to confirm his name or why it is being disclosed now, but the AP, it appears, has been vindicated on this.(emphasis by MM)

Republican blogger Patterico’s Pontifications writes, Media Matters Distorts Something (Yawn) Filed under: General — Patterico @ 1:32 pm

That is hardly the same thing as saying the AP was vindicated on the issue of the Burning Six, which is what Media Matters implies in its summary.

At least Media Matters included the transcript in its post. But its summary pushes the false narrative that lefties have been pushing for the last 44 hours or so: that the mere existence of Jamil Hussein means that The AP Has Been Vindicated on Everything, Because All Warbloggers Claimed He Was a Made-Up Person.

I know. The idea that Media Matters might distort something is hardly news. Still, you gotta call ‘em on it occasionally.

…Media Matters is absolutely shameless.

If Pat is coherent enough one of his friends might want to explain to him what he and the other right-wing bloggers tried to do. There was the explicit implication that if Jamil didn’t exist then the kerosene incident never happened. Not only would AP’s failure to produce Jamil mean the death by kerosene incident didn’t happen, but that as many as 60 other AP reports would lack any credibility. Now Pat is saying the proof of Jamil’s existence, which their entire case against the AP rested on, that nugget of doubt to which they clung so dearly did not matter, it meant anything at all. If we made back pedaling an Olympic event Pat might actually prove to be good at somethign. A Google search finds right-wing articles ad nauseam with the same spin, no Jamil equals no kerosene incident, no kerosene incident equals AP and the press in general were in collusion with terrorists – (AP staffer found dead in Iraq – I guess he wasn’t working hard enough for the terrorists). Nitpicker on Hot Air’s semi-apology, Hot Air guy is *gasp* clueless!

Conservative blogger Flopping Aces takes a unique approach to getting out of admitting wrong, he was confused and who wouldn’t be considering that Jamil used transportation to travel from one area to another, New Twists In The Jamil Hussein Saga, Posted by Curt on January 6, 2007 at 10:51 AM

2. The real issue is this: Jamil works in Al Khadra (think of Staten Island) — he’s telling the media about Al Hurriah murders (Think of Queens — it’s a different area of the city): ( In Curt’s world Jamil has no shoes, his feet are blistered and as a policeman he has no access to a car)

* Why would any reporter consider this guy a reliable source under these circumstances? ( under what circumstances would those be, the one in Curt’s day dreams where he gets to fill in all the facts with his fantasies. That is not an argument or proof, just more gossip and right-wing speculation passed off as fact)
* When you consider that he’s been quoted in more than 60 AP stories, you have to ask how much of that information was secondhand or rumor, considering there is no evidence this last report of his ever happened. ( well if Curt was really following this story he would know that there were at least four other witnesses. So considering Curt’s negligent, sloppy to nonexsistant fact gathering we can, using Curt’s rules of fair play and ethics assume that he has no credibility along with his conservative clones Patterico, Allpundit, and Malkin)

You have to give the Right credit for their willingness to throw themselves on the sword of lies in the Great Conservative Cause. It is a pattern that is repeated over and over again. The Right lies or distorts events and issues beyond recognition and when caught nitpick their way through their own words trying to find an escape hatch to avoid responsibility. Its the Bush-Rove school of political discourse in all its gutterish glory.
Late Nite FDL: Malkin Credibility, R.I.P.

Nope, sorry Greg. The wingnutosphere never eats crow. First they’ll acknowledge that Hussein does exist, but then add that there are still a lot of questions to be answered about the AP’s report. The next thing that happens is they never answer those questions and move on. Lastly, they start leafing through every goddamn wire photo on the Internet to search for evidence of photoshopping or tampering of any kind. When they finally find something (or hell, even if they don’t) they’ll start braying and shrieking about how the Iraq war is going just fine, and that journalists only report bad news because they hate the troops. This is how they play the game. They will never change because they have no souls.

Not an expert on the souls thing, but let’s say that right-wingers wouldn’t know what a value was if it flew up their collectives asses. Values, ethics, truth and facts are all tied together. The Right seems to disassemble those virtues at their convenience and their lack of remorse at doing so smacks of problems that go far beyond political discourse.

Digby’s take on events re Jamil and the Wing-nut-sphere, Eason On Down

One of the more sickening aspects of this awful little story is the Eason Jordan sideshow in which the former president of CNN, who was scalped earlier by a rightwing mob for saying that the military may have been targeting journalists, has been using this story to gain credit and linkage from the same wingnuts who took him down. I had wondered in the beginnning if perhaps he wasn’t playing some sort of advanced jiujitsu to get revenge, but that’s obviously not the case. He’s clearly trying to curry favor with the wingnuts.

“Facts are stupid things.” President Ronald Reagan

“There are some people who live in a dream world, and there are some who face reality; and then there are those who turn one into the other.” – Douglas H. Everett