Debate two – “We have a disaster here”

Did anyone else find it a little strange that last night McCain said this about Iran,

McCain: Well, let me just follow up, my friends. If we had done what Sen. Obama wanted done in Iraq, and that was set a date for withdrawal, which Gen. [David] Petraeus, our chief — chairman of our Joint Chiefs of Staff said would be a very dangerous course to take for America, then we would have had a wider war, we would have been back, Iranian influence would have increased, al Qaeda would have re- established a base.

There was a lot at stake there, my friends. And I can tell you right now that Sen. Obama would have brought our troops home in defeat. I’ll bring them home with victory and with honor and that is a fundamental difference.

The United States of America, Tom, is the greatest force for good, as I said. And we must do whatever we can to prevent genocide, whatever we can to prevent these terrible calamities that we have said never again.

But it also has to be tempered with our ability to beneficially affect the situation. That requires a cool hand at the tiller. This requires a person who understands what our — the limits of our capability are.

We went in to Somalia as a peacemaking organization, we ended up trying to be — excuse me, as a peacekeeping organization, we ended up trying to be peacemakers and we ended up having to withdraw in humiliation.

In Lebanon, I stood up to President Reagan, my hero, and said, if we send Marines in there, how can we possibly beneficially affect this situation? And said we shouldn’t. Unfortunately, almost 300 brave young Marines were killed.

So you have to temper your decisions with the ability to beneficially affect the situation and realize you’re sending America’s most precious asset, American blood, into harm’s way. And, again, I know those situations.

One of Sarah Palin’s nonsequitors makes more sense. By occupying Iraq, Bush and the neocons gurantted an increase in Iranian influence in the region, Iraq in particular. Just this past June 2008 Iraq and Iran agreed to boost defense cooperation. Foriegn policy guru Mccain either doesn’t comprehend the on going developent of relations between the two countries or he honestly doesn’t know. The latter being inexcusable. McCain also failed to acknowledge that the occupation has provided no increased security for America. The idea that Iraq would have attacked us, burned our Constitution and created a despotic regime under Saddam’s control is laughable. What the occupation accomplished in the first four years was replacing one Saddam with a hundred little tribal Saddams, horrific ethnic cleansing, millions of refugees and thousands of dead and wounded Americans. When did it become possible to be both delusional and a foreign policy expert at the same time. The use of Iran as another boogieman during the debate is something he can think George Bush for, Oct 04, 2008 Politics scuttles plan to put US diplomats in Iran

The Bush administration has shelved plans to set up a diplomatic outpost in Iran, in part over fears it could affect the U.S. presidential race or be interpreted as political meddling, The Associated Press has learned.

The proposal to send U.S. diplomats to Tehran for the first time in three decades attracted great attention when it was floated over the summer, but has now been placed on indefinite hold as November’s election nears and Iran continues to defy demands to halt suspect nuclear activities, officials told the AP.

Two administration officials familiar with the matter spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss internal administration deliberations on the sensitive subject.

Secretary of State Rice has had talks with Iran, a fact in itself that scuttles the McCain narrative that Obama is mistaken to even be open to the idea of talks. Bush, through the Treasury Department gave the private organization the American-Iranian Council permission to open an office in Tehran to host round-table discussions and conferences. Time and again, never listen to what Cons say, watch what they actually do.

Pretend for a minute that you’re a right-winger, you watched last night’s debate. You have few options. High on the list is pretend that with your special ConVision you clearly discerned a McCain victory. In other words the usual. I’m guessing that the National Reviews Andrew McCarthy was so depressed he just lost it and decided to throw an unhinged temper tantrum,

We have a disaster here — which is what you should expect when you delegate a non-conservative to make the conservative (nay, the American) case. We can parse it eight ways to Sunday, but I think the commentary is missing the big picture.

Bomb bomb bomb Iran- a hundred years in Iraq McSame isn’t far Right enough for Andy. I could offer to lend him my shovel so he could dig up some old comrades of Mussolini. Those guys were about as good as managing the economy as “nay, the American” Right.

Bless pandagon or going over to the dark side and getting Malkin and the freeper’s reaction to McCain’s idea to buy up mortgages in a Resurgence Plan, That one

He spent the entire debate assailing massive government spending — while his featured proposal of the night was to heap on more massive government spending to pursue home ownership/retention at all costs. If Obama had proposed this, the Right would be screaming bloody murder about this socialist grab. (Malkin)

One must first assume that he is sincere. Johnny says he can pay the 300 billion for funds already appropriated by Congress. Where did McCain get the idea that he needed to do something, or appear to do something for homeowners. Gee, the concept, excluding details from an idea that Senator Obama floated around last week. What was McCain’s reaction at the time,

When the mortgage crisis first ballooned, Obama offered a plan that included aggressive regulation of financial institutions, relief for homeowners and a $30-billion economic stimulus package. McCain criticized it as a “multibillion-dollar bailout for big banks and speculators” and said, “There is a tendency for liberals to seek big government programs that sock it to American taxpayers while failing to solve the very real problems we face.”

McCain’s version, just a big all consuming homeloan buyout is exactly what Democrats and many Republicans thought was a bad idea because it would in effect reward predatory lenders ( the people the bailout money would go to) and that small portion of borrowers who tried to game the system. Talk about erratic behavior with a high percentage of pandering.

Except for the “that one” remark did anyone notice what McCain didn’t say. if you went to middle-school or high school in the U.S. one sure way to get a reputation as a wuss is to go around trashing people behind their back. Then when faced with the victim of the gossip, the wuss pretends he never said a word. McCain and Palin have been high schoolish and libelous in their ads and campaign rallies, yet given the opportunity to say those things to Obama in person, McCain wimped out. If McCain believes the smears in his ads are true and ginuenely feels that electing Obama-Biden would in effect be a form of treason, why not use this uber media soapbox to let that be known. Cowardice would explain part of it, but the larger reasom probably has to do with McCain not believing enough in  his own propaganda to repeat it on video, saved for perpetuity, to the face of the man whose reputation he has tried so hard to destroy. John McCain, the liar and wuss.

No cartoon today, but an unintentional joke by Republican James Taranto in opinion piece for the WSJ is entitled The ‘Fact Checking’ Fad. Then bemoans the lack of context as he uses a couple examples out of context and one without noting that General Petraeus said the same thing that James thinks is just plain wrong when Obama says it. The circles of Taranto’s mind.

The Right’s attempts to put the blame for the financial-housing crisis on the poor and minorities has turned into a full on crusade. Seeing that we’ve lived in the Bush Culture of Never Accountable Conservatism for eight years it is pretty predictable that would try to sleaze their way out of this one too, The right blames the credit crisis on poor minority homeowners. This is not merely offensive, but entirely wrong

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