KARL: Did you authorize the tactics that were used against Khalid Sheikh Mohammed?
CHENEY: I was aware of the program, certainly, and involved in helping get the process cleared, as the agency in effect came in and wanted to know what they could and couldn’t do. And they talked to me, as well as others, to explain what they wanted to do. And I supported it.
KARL: In hindsight, do you think any of those tactics that were used against Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and others went too far?
CHENEY: I don’t.
In Cheney’s version of events he was just seating around the bunker pulling the wings off flys when some ‘agency’ came in and just, you know, ran the whole torture thing – the same thing the Japanese were prosecuted for after WWII – up the flag pole. Dick was simply ‘aware’ of the program, maybe waved his pom poms a little, but didn’t initiate anything. Oh and by the way Dick swears torture works as a way to protect America. The facts are, not surprisingly a little different. Pack of Liars
Yesterday’s bipartisan Senate report on the abuse of detainees in U.S. custody at Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib and elsewhere doesn’t just lay out a clear line of responsibility starting with President Bush, it also exposes the administration’s repeated explanation for what happened as a pack of lies.
[ ]…Bush signed a memo exempting war-on-terror detainees from the Geneva Conventions. “[T]he decision to replace well established military doctrine, i.e., legal compliance with the Geneva Conventions, with a policy subject to interpretation, impacted the treatment of detainees in U.S. custody,” the report states.
Torture was not a idea that appeared out of nowhere, nor was it the idea of a few low ranking soldiers in Iraq. It was Bush and Cheney’s policy to trash the Geneva Conventions. Not that there will ever be legal consequences, but that makes Dick guilty of war crimes. It is not just the opinion of the angry left that what happened in Abu Ghraib and other places was morally abhorrent, it was Bush’s then public opinion,
On June 1, 2004, he (Bush) told a reporter: “Obviously, it was a shameful moment when we saw on our TV screens that soldiers took it upon themselves to humiliate Iraqi prisoners — because it doesn’t reflect the nature of the American people, or the nature of the men and women in our uniform.
That was just a load, because Bush and Cheney have never had enough respect for the American people to think being honest or consistent in their public statements was of much consequence.
Pamela Hess writes for the Associated Press: “The physical and mental abuse of detainees in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, was the direct result of Bush administration detention policies and should not be dismissed as the work of bad guards or interrogators, according to a bipartisan Senate report released Thursday.
“The Senate Armed Services Committee report concludes that harsh interrogation techniques used by the CIA and the U.S. military were directly adapted from the training techniques used to prepare special forces personnel to resist interrogation by enemies that torture and abuse prisoners. The techniques included forced nudity, painful stress positions, sleep deprivation, and until 2003, waterboarding, a form of simulated drowning.”
Cheney also managed to mangle the sequence of events and the details of the administrations sweeping data mining operation. He claims that it was legal all along and that the FISA revisions reaffirmed that. No, on the contrary, the FISA revisions Cheney referred to were in fact a retroactive forgiveness of the administrations program – something the administration lobbied hard to pass because it was and continues to be legaly dubious.
They say what goes around comes around. The Iraqis have learned, as Bush and Cheney are very proud to claim, that torturing people is an integral and moral part of a democracy. So no wonder that the Iraqis have tortured the shoe thrower, Shoe Thrower Being Tortured?
Albaghdadia, the TV channel where the Iraqi Journalist Montather Al-Zeidi works, reports that an Iraqi MP (Ms. Zainab Al-Kanani) informed them that Montather’s hand was broken in jail.
This confirms a lot of reports and rumors about Montather being subject to torture while the Iraqi authorities are interrogating and detaining him in some unspecified location.
Bush had enough time to make the trip and Cheney has enough time to do propel administration propaganda. Too bad they don’t have time to intervene with Iraqi authorities on behave of Montather Al-Zeidiact. Siun also notes,
I’ve checked the translation of this account with markfromireland of GorillasGuides who says this report sounds “about right” and is very credible. He also notes the reported injuries would be consistent with repeated severe kicking of Al Zaida.
The Iraqi government will probably claim that if its OK for Bush to torture, and Dick Cheney is damned proud of torturing, then its hypocritical to condemn them for following the example set by their ‘liberators’. Al-Zaidi is apparently going to be charged with “insulting the Iraqi state.”
This is the point where one is supposed to say that you have to admire their tenaciousness – from an Iraq war dead ender site called Strategy Page, Iraq Is Safer
December 15, 2008: This month, about 26 people a day are dying from criminal and terrorist violence a day in Iraq. That’s a bit lower than the death toll in northern Mexico, which on a bad day (like last November 3rd) saw 58 people killed.
Does this mean there is more reason to shock and awe Mexico then Iraq. It must mean there s no reason to have troops in Iraq if its safer then Mexico. If the Right decided to invade Mexico I just hope it goes better then the invasion of Iraq or they’re in for a world of hurt. They want to privatize everything so I’m sure they won’t mind paying for this next quagmire with their own private funds.
Back in February, Senator Hillary Clinton cosponsored legislation calling for the Secretary of State to ban the use of private contractors like Blackwater from guarding State Department employees — a position that takes on new significance now that she is Secretary Of State designate.
This isn’t something the SOS can do on their own, but they can fastrack such action. Its doubtful she will since as of today Obama wants to shift more troops to Afghanistan and draw down forces in Iraq according tot he SOFA timetable. Tough to do all that without keeping some Blackwater forces in Iraq.