Unka Karl’s latest blather from the WSJ, Congress and Waterboarding – Nancy Pelosi was an accomplice to ‘torture.’
The Obama administration’s CIA director, Leon Panetta, and Mr. Goss have both disputed Mrs. Pelosi’s account.
The memo that Rove rests the entirety of his case has been acknowledged to be less then accurate by the CIA. Goss is a known liar and neocon shill who Bush appointed to the CIA for a brief tenure. he was found to be so incompetent that even Bush could not let him remain at that vital national security post. In yet another laughable echo from the Right’s spin machine, Bush and Company lied the nation into a trillion dollar quiqmire, squandered victory in Afghanistan, authorized torture and murder, shredded various parts of the Constitution, but it is Democrats that should be held accountable. If Pelosi is lying why are we having a trial by drive-by edittorials rather then a few hundred words in the WSJ rehashing the he said she said battle. Here’s the Right’s chance to supposedly take down one of the most powerful Democrats in Washington – ironically a centrist that took impeaching Bush off the table in 2006 – yet they prefer to prattle on and on about the contents of a briefing in which there does not seem to be a definitive account. Nothing that Speaker Pelosi has said thus far has been proved beyond doubt to be false. One could consider this episode a payback moement for Pelosi’s overly centrist conventional beltway menatlity; if she had decided to go forth with impeachment proceednings in 2006 she would not have this silly blame shifting by Republicans hanging over her head. Rove’s sub-headline doesn’t even make since. One, the Right claims that toture is the new virtue. Two, it also implies, in nonsensical and unintended Republican tradition, that toture is wrong. Finally, it also clearly means that if having knowledge of torture and not doing enough to stop it is a crime that Republicans such as Richard Shelby and Pat Roberts are equally as guilty as any Democrat.
Republicans have already been caught playing the torture argument both ways. They claim torture saves lives and in the same breath swear that revealing the torture that the world already knows about will damage our national security. What mental cage shrouds Republican minds, considering the history of Watergate, Iran-Contra, Reagan’s HUD scandal to Nixon and Kissinger’s treachery with the Vietcong. Even whether the pictures that Obama had said he would release of prisoner abuse and then did a 180 are ever officially released by the government is a silly argument, they will find there way onto the net eventually. Charles Duelfer of the Duelfer Report on WMD has just made his way onto the hit list of conservative pundits, Cheney’s Role Deepens
*Two U.S. intelligence officers confirm that Vice President Cheney’s office suggested waterboarding an Iraqi prisoner, a former intelligence official for Saddam Hussein, who was suspected to have knowledge of a Saddam-al Qaeda connection.
*The former chief of the Iraq Survey Group, Charles Duelfer, in charge of interrogations, tells The Daily Beast that he considered the request reprehensible.
*Much of the information in the report of the 9/11 Commission was provided through more than 30 sessions of torture of detainees.
That would be the false information given to iterogators to get the torture to stop. Which is the problem with the ticking time bomb scenario. With minutes left the tortured suspect gives a false location, bomb goes off. Cheney and Bush knew that when they tortured out false confessions, false information that feed the line of propaganda they fed the American public.
An extensive analysis I conducted as a reporter for NBC News of the 9/11 Commission’s Final Report and its monograph on terrorist travel showed that much of what was reported about the planning and execution of the terror attacks on New York and Washington was based on the CIA’s interrogations of high-ranking al Qaeda operatives who had been subjected to “enhanced interrogation techniques.”
[ ]..Human-rights advocates, including Karen Greenberg of New York University Law School’s Center for Law and Security and Michael Ratner of the Center for Constitutional Rights, have said that, at the least, the 9/11 Commission should have been more suspect of the information derived under such pressure.
Commission executive director Philip Zelikow (later counselor to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice) admitted, “We were not aware, but we guessed, that things like that were going on. We were wary…we tried to find different sources to enhance our credibility.” (Zelikow testified before the Senate on Wednesday, May 13, that he had argued in a 2005 memo that some of the tactics used on suspected terrorists violated the constitutional ban on cruel and unusual punishment.)
In a study domne by World Public Opinion in 2004, after the 9-11 Commision Report, a substantial number of American stills believded that there was a connection between Iraq,9-11 and al-Qaeda and that Iraq did have WMD that posed an urgent threat to America. Where would they get bizarre notions like that. From false confessions used in reports or referred to in speeches by the Bush administartion and repeated ad neaseum by right-wing pundits. Pelosi is some how probably responsible for that too.
In releasing the torture memos, Obama had rejected counterarguments from CIA Director Leon Panetta. But he seems to have listened to similar warnings from his military commanders who argued that flooding the Internet with a new batch of photos of Americans engaging in shocking practices would put U.S. soldiers in danger without a commensurate public benefit.
Is this a “Sister Soulja” moment on national security, like bill Clinton’s famous criticism of a controversial rap singer during the 1992 presidential campaign — which upset some liberal supporters but polished his credentials as a centrist? We’ll have to wait and see, but certainly military officers I spoke with this week were pleased — even as the ACLU was indignant.
David Ignatius get s paid to write this hogwash. He, Dick Cheney, necons writing at The Wall Street Journal, the Washington Times, Hot Air, Karl Rove, The Weekly Standard, The National Review have and will continue to state that torture and deaths of prisoners occured in Afghanistan and Iraq. The words apparently lack the magic power of the photos, so everyone that is “pleased” can do what, continue to delude themselves.
Ignatius is yet another example of the musty and mildewed beltway mentality. Obama does something more as an appeasement to the far Right and their delusions which makes it a “centrist” thing to do. If the Right cared so much about the troops they would not have supported polcies that have killed or wounded so many, up to and including abusing prisoners. Glenn Greenwald has a great example in the case of Binyam Mohamed,Obama administration threatens Britain to keep torture evidence concealed
Ever since he was released from Guantanamo in February after six years of due-process-less detention and brutal torture, Binyam Mohamed has been attempting to obtain justice for what was done to him. But his torturers have been continuously protected, and Mohamed’s quest for a day in court repeatedly thwarted, by one individual: Barack Obama. Today, there is new and graphic evidence of just how far the Obama administration is going to prevent evidence of the Bush administration’s torture program from becoming public.
[ ]…(from Glenn’s update at the bottom of his column)Andrew Sullivan’s suggestion that concealment might be necessary to protect the Pakistani government — made in the course of justifably condemning the Obama administration’s actions as “depressing news” — makes little sense to me, since (a) it’s possible (actually, quite easy) to detail what was done to Mohamed without disclosing in which foreign government’s custody he was when it happened; (b) why would evidence of the Musharraf government’s torture of Mohamed harm the current Pakistani government?; and, most of all, (c) it’s already public knowledge that Mohamed was seized, detained and abused in Pakistan (see paragraphs 59-68 of Mohamed’s complaint against Jeppesen, entitled “Detention, Interrogation and Torture in Pakistan”).
Its all a very obvious and outlandish kind of public theatre in which everyone is pretending information that is already widely avialable to anyone that caes to look will some how further damage our nation’s reputation or endanger someone. The damage has been done and the genuine endangerment started on Bush’s watch, by Bush and his supporters. Obama can only make our nation stronger and lessen risks to our troops by sticking to his promise of more transparency.