There is not much new happening in debt ceiling negotiations that everyone has not already heard of of mid-morning. John Boehner(R-OH) plan was doomed from the start. Democrats under Nancy Pelosi’s(D-CA) leadership were never let House Republicans loose with a sharp knife to whittle away at Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security at will. That’s just crazy to contemplate, but leave it to Boehner to think it was possible. Add to that there was a spoiler for the teahadist. The bill contained funding for Pell grants. Republicans think an educated populace is a danger to their agenda and hey, its one thing they are right about. So that meant Boehner could not lose more than about 20 Republican votes. The Boehner plan was weird in that it actually cut less spending than the Harry Reid(D-NV) plan. Anyone notice a trend here. Republicans voted for the Paul Ryan plan twice. That reduced spending less than Obama’s $4 trillion dollar plan One could say the Ryan plan was more progressive and liberal than the Obama plan in total cuts( though not in specific cuts. Ryan gutted Medicare). In the Boehner versus Reid spending cuts plan, Reid’s was further to the right in total cuts. Yet in the alternate universe that is the kool-aid addled mind-set of the Right, the Obama and Reid plans are Marxist attacks on the very foundation of this country. This is why I think liberals and moderates are ill equipped to fight this battle. The only thing we have to fight with are facts. Its like rock, paper, scissors – tea bagger kool-aid drowns facts.
here are the options for understanding the fanatical Right view of current events: They do not understand what is going on, they are in denial or it is another opportunity to practice their lying techniques. Possibly a combination of the three. Our first example is Red State’s Erick Erickson – Unfortunately, this isn’t a joke:
Of course, in the real world, voting to table something is exactly the same thing as voting to kill it. But alas, the above analysis by Suzy Khimm is just good reporting on looking-glass land, as seen in this pathetic Erick Erickson post (my emphasis):
One week ago the entire conservative movement was unified behind Cut, Cap, and Balance as was both House and Senate GOP caucus — no small feat to be sure.
Then, because Harry Reid denied CCB a vote through a procedural motion, John Boehner produces a crackpot plan that rips the conservative movement apart at the seams and after taking two stabs at it, still can’t get to the promised $1.2 trillion in cuts he initially claimed it would have.
I’m not sure whether Erickson is irresponsibly misinformed or telling a deliberate lie, but Harry Reid did no such thing. Allowing a vote to table is allowing a vote.
Shouldn’t Erickson be out hunting down people who are using environmentally friendly dish washing detergent? Rather than being focusing on what “tabling” a vote means, if Erickson had stopped playing pretentious town clown for minute and looked up the Senate rules he would have seen this bit about “Cloture”.
Cloture is the only procedure by which the Senate can vote to set an end to a debate without also rejecting the bill, amendment, conference report, motion, or other matter it has been debating. A Senator can make a nondebatable motion to table an amendment, and if a majority of the Senate votes for that motion, the effect is to reject the amendment. Thus, the motion to table cannot be used to conclude a debate when Senators still wish to speak and to enable the Senate to vote for the proposal it is considering. Only the cloture provisions of Rule XXII achieve this purpose.
Not disturbed by the dish washing detergent revolution or being too lazy fact check himself, or understand basic Senate rules? Actual elected Republican officials call Erick for advice. Elements of Wingnut Style
Rule one for wingnut prose stylists: pretend it’s the 19th century. Rule two: you can never sound douchy enough. The Son of Erick:
In the past 48 hours I have had call after call after call from members of the United States Congress. They’ve read what I’ve written. They agree. But they feel the hour is short and the end is nigh.
So some are calling looking for alternatives. Some are calling looking for energy. Many are calling looking for absolution.
And so I address them and put it here so you can see my advice.
I can give no absolution for what you may be about to do.
He talks like this at Burger King, too. “I have come here, as the hour of lunch is nigh, to this drive-thru, to purchase, in God’s name, a Whopper, nay, its mighty scion, a Whopper Junior, and forsooth, prithee, I desire as well the fried potatoes of Freedom, and I declare that I wish my parched gullet to be watered with the chocolate of a shake, much akin to the manner in which the ground ‘neath the Liberty Tree is watered with the blood of… patriots.”
He’s actually talking to members of Congress here, and they probably think this is all Top-Flight Oratory. (emphasis mine)
Some have suggested that conservatism is a mental illness. If Erickson was all one read about conservatism it not unreasonable to entertain at least the passing notion that conservatism is a virus. Once infected, you’re done. Well that’s not fair. There are well educated intellectual conservatives who make honest arguments with supporting evidence. Conservative Douglas Holtz-Eakin is a college educated economist with a Ph.D from Princeton. He was the Director of the Congressional Budget Office under Bush. Snatching Defeat from the Jaws of Victory, July 28, 2011 9:39 P.M. By Douglas Holtz-Eakin
Hard to believe what I’m reading, hearing, and watching. It’s a concerted, bipartisan effort to snatch defeat when victory is in sight.
Let’s start with the House Democrats, who are content to make a political statement and sit on their hands. That means that the Boehner plan must pass with only Republican votes and Democrats don’t care if financial markets melt down tomorrow morning (they will).
Add to this list the White House. Are they whipping Democrats to vote for the Boehner plan, move a legislative vehicle to the House, soothe financial markets, and work to a better (in their eyes) legislative outcome in the Senate? No; that’s called governing. Instead, they are pushing a Reid proposal that will never get 60 votes in the Senate.
Douglas Holtz-Eakin is 1)Lying 2) Has no idea of the offers that Republicans have rejected all of which reduce the deficit more than the plan he thinks is just swell 3) Has not read all the Republicans saying that raising the debt ceiling either does not matter or that another economic meltdown would be good for the country. Apparently it doesn’t matter whether one is listening to one of the conservative base teahdists or one of the conservative intellectual elites, its all assclown pie.
She waited till this afternoon to chime in, but she’s as hostile to the establishment as Bachmann. The passive aggression is also super-Sarah:
“I respectfully ask these GOP Freshman to re-read this letter and remember us “little people” who believed in them, donated to their campaigns, spent hours tirelessly volunteering for them, and trusted them with our votes. This new wave of public servants may recall that they were sent to D.C. for such a time as this.”
And, as of the moment, the Speaker has had to delay the vote because he cannot control his own party. We will soon see who runs the GOP. I suspect it’s less Boehner than Limbaugh.
So add Palin to the lengthy list of conservatives who would prefer to shoot the hostages than pick one of the Right of center compromises proposed by Democrats. There is an old saying in the south for people like Palin and her supporters – they think their sh*t don’t stink. No matter how much they screw up or how many Americans they screw over they cannot bring themselves to have enough insights or humility to admit wrong. Should anyone being taking economic advice that left the town of Wasilla (population 5,469 in 2000) $20 Million in debt. These are very likely the people who voted conservative from 2000 to 2008 and truly believe they bear no responsibility for the disastrous legacies of that era.
Bachmann Defends Using Federal Loans She Denounced: ‘It’s Almost Impossible To Buy A Home’ Without Them. This fact based piece of yet another glaring hypocrisy on the part of yet another conservative will have zero affect on how her base of supporters think about her. If science could synthesize those ginormous powers of denial into a serum we would have a cheap replacement for opiate based rugs.
And just because I heard another conservative parrot on the news this morning repeating the Big Lie that the U.S. is on the wildest spending spree in history and that’s the problem, not revenue – The GOP just can’t handle the truth: Tax cuts, war and the financial crisis created our huge deficits
Let’s see. We’re at war in Afghanistan, so “peacetime” is dubious. Obama has cut taxes — income taxes, payroll taxes, taxes for small businesses. Private sector economic forecasters say the stimulus increased GDP growth and kept the unemployment rate from rising higher. We could even range into the subjective, and argue that from the left side of the political aisle, Obama has been anything but hostile to business and hasn’t done nearly enough to regulate the financial sector. And we could note, just for fun, that Obama’s “grandiose” social program is modeled explicitly after the healthcare reform enacted by none other than Mitt Romney in Massachusetts. (And this guy, most political analysts think, poses the biggest threat to Obama’s reelection!)
But nothing is more ridiculous than the notion that Obama is a “binge” spender. Paul Krugman rightfully calls this scurrilous accusation a “zombie lie.”